Griefers form Alliance and Strike Multiple Communities in Week Long Event
Posted by Areth Gall on June 27, 2007
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Note: This article is rated PG-13 in association with being posted during Second Life’s Birthday, and while being in a Second Life Birthday PG sim. More offensive content has been filtered out, but includes more intense graphics of sex, porn, bizzare fetishes, and other offensive natured content.
Please note that the contents of this article may still be found offensive. If you find that acts of griefing are too difficult to read, please explore articles.
Late Tuesday Night, or Wednesday Morning for some, actions occurred that were again based out of malice. But Malice for what? Overall, several headlines would have represented this article;
Woodbury University Contracted to Perform Elements of Grief
‘Mutual Businessman’ Provides Funds, Orchestrates, and Oversees Grief
/b/tards construct Furry Concentration Camp and Carry-out Attacks against Furry Sims
Alliance Navy Claims Fraudulant Group was Sold Land That Had Already Been Paid
Linden Labs Suspends Multiple Griefers over Offensive Content – After Content Was Up For Three Days.
Furry Owned Business Donates to Group that Builds Furry Concentration Camp
Furnation and Fur Valley Communities Repeatedly Bombed
Second Life’s Fourth Birthday Party Crashed by Griefers
While all of these Headlines describe incidents that occurred, tragic and malice filled, they would do injustice to be posted without taking consideration to the other potential headlines. That is because these headlines are all a part of the same scheme. They were done by the same people, and all of these people were working together.
A group was created, described by its designers to be a ‘parody’ of the Alliance Navy. This group is called the ‘AIliance Navy’, and do note the ‘i’ that is used for the second letter. In order to prevent confusion in this article, the false group will be called the ‘Parody Navy’ in this article.
This Parody Navy seized the true Alliance Navy’s training facility located in the sim of Emit Time late Tuesday Night. It was seized not through a firefight or any battle, but instead, the land was seized through the transfer of ownership. Leia Lulu, one of the Emit Time Admins, transferred land rights from the current renter: Uildiar Kuhn, to one of the individuals from the Parody Navy. Uildiar claims that he had lost his a job and could no longer afford to make payments, and that he was approached by a representative of the Parody Navy whom offered to reimburse him of the remainder of his lease for the month if he would transfer the land. Uildiar accepted, and Leia Lulu transferred the land. The Alliance Navy counters this claim with their statement that Nanao Mahfouz had paid Uildiar the lease prior and that the land should still be theirs. Accordingly, the Parody Navy may have tricked the landlord into believing that the Parody Navy was the real Alliance Navy and have gotten the land that way. Nanao Mahfouz is unable to be reached for comment due to being enrolled in The United States Air Force Bootcamp in Real Life.
This reporter arrived on the scene at about 5:00am SLT Wednesday Morning. I was contacted by Harlequin Salome, whom proceeded to state that the Alliance Navy had already paid for the land and didn’t know why it had been transferred over to the Parody Navy, whom was a group of griefers and had proceeded to harass the Alliance Navy throughout the night.
The Parody Navy had constructed a base using tools commonly associated with griefing – large boxes featuring what some would consider offensive content.
When I arrived, this is what I saw;
(Please Note that more offensive content has again, been filtered out).
Tizzers Foxchaser, an Admin for Woodbury University and one of the officers for the Parody Navy was on scene, as well as other individuals. When I approached them with the Alliance Navy’s claims, they stated that they had paid for the land and legally obtained it. Also, reporters were ‘think they know it alls’, and I needed to buzz off. Tizzers had obtained a copy of the old Alliance Navy Uniform, and she and her crew were masquerading around as false ‘AN’ personel, including Admirals and Gwunts. ‘Grunt’ is a term used by the Merczateers as a low rank. The Land itself was set to No Damage, but push was enabled.
Later in the day I would return. And in returning, I would find a scene that I found quite odd, but I was relatively unsurprised. After all, it was only Timmahy Widgets and Sly Axon of Titan Industries that were present, with the Parody Navy’s Tags on, and wearing False Alliance Navy Garb. Timmahy Widgets is the Head Scripter of Titan Industries Inc. Sly Axon is the former mate of Aryte Vesperia, owner of Titan Industries Inc. They both logged out, Timmahy Widgets first and Sly Axon within thirty seconds after, having seen me at two-hundred meters above. I do not believe they noticed me observing them, but before Sly Axon could log out, Vicious Nishi logged in and began firing at me – something that Titan Industries Inc. loves to do. More about these two and Titan will be discussed later in this article.
I went summoned Miller Rust, owner of the Anthro Military Coalition that is located in FlyinTails Airfield and Furry Park. Both of these sims are a part of the Fur Valley Communities. After attempting to explain the situation, he stated that he didn’t care – militaries caused drama, reporters were untrustworthy and didn’t care for the truth. And so, he left, and I left and went afk.
When I returned later again that evening. The Fur Valley Communities had been hit by griefers. The Fur Valley Communities labeled it off as being the Patriotic Nigras and didn’t look into it further. I worked with Mako Minoque and Leo Linden to restart Serenity Woods. I then headed back to Emit Time. A Linden had also swooped by Emit Time and removed the Griefing Base. For the time, the Northwest Corner of Emit Time was bare.
Lurdan Huszar, head of the Merczateers, a rival group to the Alliance Navy whom has been at war with the AN for the past several months, stopped by and began discussing, or arguing things with the Alliance Navy. Harlequin Salome accused Lurdan Huszar of being involved and of supporting the Parody Navy. Lurdan countered with a claim that he had been told ten minutes before the land transfer occurred the night before, and that the incident would have occurred if he had known or not. He also claimed that he did not go along with it. In irony, another Merczateer, Akamu Hua whom had participated in the Parody Navy earlier that day, lied to my face in front of his commanding officer stating that he had done no such thing.
Needless to say, this is why you don’t lie to reporters. You might get caught.
Lurdan Huszar left the scene after some more arguing and Leia Lulu, the sim admin, eventually logged on. Nothing was done while Leia was on, however, and despite her claim before she left that the plots of land had been joined into one and that there was only one Alliance Navy group present in her sim, this was apparently not the case. A Furry Concentration Camp was built by Thursday Morning.
I brought Nexxus Ambassador – owner of the Furnation Sims, as well as Ethen Pow, owner of the Drakeal Sims, explained the situation as best as I knew, and both sides of the arguments to them. At the time, it was then as it is now – either the Alliance Navy had paid for the land and had it transferred through the Parody Navy’s fraud, or the Parody Navy had purchased the land legally, for griefing, and with funds donated by patrons of their ‘arts’. That would be, the art of their griefing tactics. Both took this into consideration and went back to their sims, which would later be attacked by the individuals whom resided in the Furry Concentration Camp. Confirmed griefers as reported by Furnation Admins that were from the Woodbury University group included: Derkaderp Rodenberger, Jafo Ochs, Screwdriver Hammerer, LeroyFan Allen, Garrett Broek, and Aruk Barbosa. LeroyFan Allen also began harassing Ethen Pow while he was located in a neighboring parcel in Emit Time.
It wouldn’t be the last attack though – The Fur Valley Sims were hit later that day, and Furnation was hit again twice on Friday. Thousands of Lindens and non-replacable items were lost in the attacks. The arguments and standoffs between the Parody Navy and the Alliance Navy continued with additional persons becoming involved.
On Saturday, during the Second Life Fourth Birthday Party, SL4B, the /b/tards would later claim responsibility for launching a griefing attack in the SLO# sims. I noticed one of the /b/tard members there shortly after Phillip’s speech was to begin: Alyx Stoklitsky. With the recognition that she was in the SL4B volunteer group and could rez scripted items anywhere in the birthday sims, I sent an IM to Spike Linden. Spike did not appear to heed my warning, however. (See the Second Life Herald Article for more information on the SL4B attack: Herald Article)
Despite these negatives, not all arguments were bad, and some deeds of justice were even performed. One such Champion of Justice was none other than Kuro Amat, a little known guy whom no one knows much about, other than he showed up at a griefing incident with no apparent personal involvements. However, out of everyone, he summed what the point of this article should be pretty well.
[20:00] Kuro Amat: this is stupid 
[20:00] Kuro Amat: i am not leaving until this is resolved
[20:00] Kuro Amat: its my duty as a citizen of second life!
That’s right. The Lindens talked about communities being in charge of their own security and how they would respond to the situations beginning at least as far back as a year ago. The consequences of griefing are somewhat clear;
The consequences of not caring are very clear. Miller Rust was asked to look things over, but after being teleported in, he didn’t care. It only took a few hours for the sims that Miller Rust participated in to get attacked by the same people he refused to care about.
Asked again now, he states;
[11:41] Miller Rust: oh, i heard somethign abotu that but i dont knwo anythign abotu it, and its none of my business
[11:41] Miller Rust: i dont have anythign to do with big army politics on SL
[11:41] Miller Rust: ive tried to tell you that
[11:42] Miller Rust: i just make friends with peopel as people. i dont care abotu the politics”.
[11:43] Miller Rust: other than that, i dont understand why you think there is some conspiracy. i dont knwo who you are and dont care
[11:43] Miller Rust: im just someoen who likes to roleplay military stuff on second life, and wants to be left in peace
If Miller had taken the time to care and do something about griefing, instead of denouncing it as a reporter conspiracy, maybe the attacks that occurred in the Fur Valley Communities could have been prevented. If things are going to change in Second Life, then someone has to make it change. So, the next question arises: Whom is responsible for these attacks? Well, let’s take a look beyond just the griefers. Let’s look at those whom donated items and funded the griefers.
Recall earlier that Timmahy Widgets and Sly Axon were found participating with and in the Parody Navy. Both Served in the Novus Ordo Imperialis as Praetors – The Highest Achievable rank in the group, after having left the Alliance Navy. The Alliance Navy has claimed since last fall that Timmahy Widgets gave the Novus Ordo Imperialis many of their scripting secrets as well as copies of their gear. Both Sly Axon and Timmahy Widgets also used the Copybot during its release last fall.
These claims match why items that were created by Timmahy Widgets and Sly Axon were later used in the construction of the Griefing Base, and later the Furry Concentration Camp that was built after a Linden tore down the Griefing Base. In addition, it was stated by a spokesperson for the Parody Navy that Aryte Vesperia, head of Titan Industries Inc. donated money for the purchase of the plot of land, which is supported by quotes from more than one individual. These include;
[20:02] IntLibber Brautigan: a number of wholly legitimate groups provided funding, including some of AN’s enemies
[20:02] IntLibber Brautigan: I was merely the escrow agent
Another representative whom has had strong ties with Aryte stated;
[12:31] Anonymous: BTW, as a heads up, this wasn’t Titan’s idea, and they only fronted part of the cost.
[15:46] Anonymous: We didn’t defraud the land, and Aryte only paid for part of it. We bought the lease, fair and square. AN’s just mad because they didn’t pay their rent.
Aryte Vesperia was the head of the Alliance Navy II, a group of Alliance Navy Rebels that broke off in protest of the Alliance Navy. Their base was centered in Venuma North, which has since been sold. Aryte led them into becoming the Venuma Coalition, and after their abandonment of Venuma North due to disputes with Dirk DaSilva, the Landlord of Venuma and Venuma North, over the Venuma Coalition’s harassment of Venuma Residents. Aryte would then make temporary camp in the Sim of Wolf Valley, using it as a place to hold meetings, build equipment, and plan for the purchase of his sim: Macaroth. With the purchase of the Sim Macaroth, Aryte Vesperia opened the Novus Ordo Imperialis. Aryte would later shut down the Novus Ordo Imperialis and take up leadership of Titan Industries Inc, which many Ordo personnel followed him to, and many consider the Novus Ordo Imperialis in an industrial form. Indeed, in recent months, a sim called ‘Titan’ has appeared where Macaroth once was. Several rumors surrounded this sim, including that the Ordo was restarting, and that any member of the Ordo whom talked about it would be ‘executed’. Recent days has seen Aryte Vesperia create a group called the ‘The Ordo Imperialis.’ When the Novus Ordo Imperialis shut down, several strikes against the Alliance Navy by Novus Ordo Remnants were made out of hatred. In addition, Aryte Vesperia and several other members of Titan Industries participated with the Merczateers in recent months, offering them gear and assisting against incursions by the Alliance Navy. The Merczateers and the Alliance Navy have been at war well since before April. This followed a failed attempt to create the treaties ANSUCKS and MOSCOW, which attempted to outlaw the Alliance Navy from participating with any signing members, while Titan Industries was a leading candidate to be awarded a supply contract for standard arms for all treaty members. These are all reasons why Aryte and Titan Industries may have donated to such a cause, but it is far from being a full list of allegations that could be made. A full list of allegations against Titan Industries Inc. and its predecessors can be found here: Titan Idustries and The (Novus) Ordo Imperialis
Later Wednesday after encountering Titan Industries with the Parody Navy, I had a conversation with Kekken Biberman about his boss’s involvement with this. His Boss is none other than IntLibber Brautigan, whom I later interviewed. Kekken refused to allow me to quote him or post his statements in the SL Times, which I will respect. Here is the result of my interview with IntLibber;
[15:13] *** parent estate: 1, mainland
[15:13] IntLibber Brautigan: Hello Areth
[15:13] IntLibber Brautigan: I’ve been told you are claiming that I’ve frauded someone. Could you care to explain this?
[17:05] Areth Gall: The only one I asked about you was Kekken. I’d be happy to show you the chatlog I had with him if he’s okay with that. If it’s someone else that’s claiming that I’ve been slandering your name, there’s nothing I can do about that. I’ve been getting reports about that junk all day. Are you on? Kekken said you weren’t.
[17:05] Second Life: User not online - message will be stored and delivered later.
[17:05] Areth Gall: And shit. I apologize for taking so long to realizing that your message was there.
[17:05] Second Life: User not online - message will be stored and delivered later.
[17:10] IntLibber Brautigan: I’m on
[17:10] IntLibber Brautigan: no problem
[17:10] Areth Gall: Kekken won’t let me send the log
[17:10] IntLibber Brautigan: thats fine
[17:10] IntLibber Brautigan: what is this all about?
[17:11] Areth Gall: Well, the Alliance Navy claimed that someone made a group called the ailiance navy and impersonated their group and tricked the Landlord of a sim into giving land that the AN paid for to the fake AN.
[17:11] Areth Gall: I take it you’re familiar with this false group?
[17:11] IntLibber Brautigan: well “false” is a strong term for a group intent on lawful parody and satire
[17:12] Areth Gall: I said fake, and it is fake.
[17:12] IntLibber Brautigan: well its in the LL database, so its as real as Alliance Navy
[17:13] Areth Gall: So I take it you have some gruff with the AN.
[17:13] IntLibber Brautigan: Ailiance Navy is supported by a large number of SL groups who dislike AN’s regular arrogance, offensiveness, disregard of landowners rights and policies, and disregard of their own rules when it suits their purposes.
[17:14] IntLibber Brautigan: Alliance Navy itself is little more than a griefer group in uniform
[17:14] IntLibber Brautigan: What transpired last night was a legal transaction transferrring land from Uildiar Kuhn, the lawful tenant, and Ailiance Navy.
[17:14] IntLibber Brautigan: At no time was the land in my posession
[17:15] IntLibber Brautigan: the estate owner transferred the land herself
[17:15] IntLibber Brautigan: I was merely there to mediate, as an escrow for rental funds
[17:15] IntLibber Brautigan: and to help Ailiance Navy people set up their group structure
[17:16] IntLibber Brautigan: I was asked to do this because I am widely trusted as an impartial and neutral broker across SL
[17:17] IntLibber Brautigan: AN’s claims of fraud are just one more of their many false accusations against others
[17:17] IntLibber Brautigan: for instance, AN once had Kekken, my estate manager, banned from SL for 7 days for “parcel encroachment” in Dorien, even tho he has never owned land there.
[17:17] IntLibber Brautigan: AN owns that whole siim
[17:17] IntLibber Brautigan: they lied in their abuse report there
[17:18] IntLibber Brautigan: they also filed a false abuse report against me this morning
[17:18] IntLibber Brautigan: for “disclosure”
[17:18] IntLibber Brautigan: they filed a false AR against Tizzers Foxchase for “copyright violation”
[17:18] IntLibber Brautigan: and I have no idea what other false charges they may have brought.
[17:19] IntLibber Brautigan: AN violates others land rights regularly
[17:19] IntLibber Brautigan: for instance, they once launched an attack on Badnarik from my civillian sim of Friedman, from the basement of the World Trade Center tower 2.
[17:19] IntLibber Brautigan: two sims away
[17:19] IntLibber Brautigan: this is not only against my estate rules and covenant, but a gross offense against those who died on 9/11
[17:20] IntLibber Brautigan: There are many people in SL who are tired of AR’s arrogance and abuses
[17:20] IntLibber Brautigan: the Ailiance Navy is an attempt to parody the AN, much as Charlie Chaplin once parodied Hitler on the silver screen.
[17:22] IntLibber Brautigan: When they organized their group, the asked me to mediate the transactions required, because I am widely recognised as a neutral broker. People trust me.
[17:23] IntLibber Brautigan: any other questions?
[17:23] Areth Gall: Only question I asked is if you were on
[17:23] Areth Gall: Now, whom told you that I’ve been stating you committed fraud?
[17:23] IntLibber Brautigan: A number of people
[17:24] IntLibber Brautigan: I’m sure they assumed your statements about the ANs accusations you were taking as factual.
[17:25] Areth Gall: Well, as I told Kekken, I’m not sure what happened. The only way I’ll know for sure which side is telling the truth is asking the landlord when she gets on. You can ask Kekken what I told him. And I’m sure nothing I do will convince you that I didn’t go blurbering your name about to a bunch of other people. But, that’s something I’ve grown quite used to when Titan Industries and the Novus Ordo Imperialis are involved
[17:26] IntLibber Brautigan: Well If you say you aren’t accusing me, then I’ll believe you
[17:26] IntLibber Brautigan: that whole circle of military groups, Ordo, AN, etc are all a big bunch of drama queens
[17:26] IntLibber Brautigan: take their stuff way too seriously
[17:27] IntLibber Brautigan: The facts are that the rightful tenant wasn’t AN
[17:27] IntLibber Brautigan: it was Uildiar Kuhn
[17:27] IntLibber Brautigan: AN was a guest on his land
[17:28] Areth Gall: Yes, I interviewed Uildiar earlier. I need to interview the AN about him as well.
[17:28] IntLibber Brautigan: The backers of Ailiance Navy gave me money for escrow
[17:28] Areth Gall: However, of all things you’re accusing the AN of, I’ve seen much, much worse.
[17:28] IntLibber Brautigan: and I paid Uildiar when the transaction was done and land transferred.
[17:29] IntLibber Brautigan: the group then asked me to help them get their member role abilities set right
[17:29] IntLibber Brautigan: TheUnstoppable Gazov and Tizzers Foxchase are in control of the group.
[17:30] IntLibber Brautigan: Tizzers owns Woodbury University, as you may be aware of
[17:30] IntLibber Brautigan: or is its admin for the RL university
[17:30] Areth Gall: Isn’t Woodbury Unversity a known griefer group?
[17:30] IntLibber Brautigan: no
[17:30] IntLibber Brautigan: the sim of WU was infiltrated by Patriotic Nigras a few months ago
[17:30] IntLibber Brautigan: they have since been removed
[17:31] IntLibber Brautigan: and the peaceful /b/tard members of SL are now working with Tizzers to make WU a real learning sim, as it was intended.
[17:31] IntLibber Brautigan: Its students are arts students primarily
[17:31] IntLibber Brautigan: so they have a lot of affinity for anime and the /b/ board on 4chan
[17:31] IntLibber Brautigan: /b/tards are not PN
[17:31] IntLibber Brautigan: some are
[17:32] IntLibber Brautigan: just as some YTMND are PN
[17:32] IntLibber Brautigan: and some eBaums are PN
[17:32] IntLibber Brautigan: even some w-hat
[17:32] IntLibber Brautigan: Woodbury University has asked me to teach building and SL business there in the next semester
[17:33] IntLibber Brautigan: “space monies” as they call it
[17:33] IntLibber Brautigan: Tizzers is dedicated to showing the world the positive constructive side of /b/tards.
[17:34] IntLibber Brautigan: If everybody keeps going around calling people they don’t like ‘griefers’, then SL is a worse place
[17:35] IntLibber Brautigan: Prokofy is an example of this
[17:35] IntLibber Brautigan: LL has proven to be incapable of keeping such people out of SL
[17:35] IntLibber Brautigan: therefore using a “war on terror” type strategy is impossible to win
[17:36] IntLibber Brautigan: for this reason, the only long term solution is to use political and economic inscentives to motivate noobs away from becoming involved in griefing in the first place, particularly the most creative individuals.
[17:37] IntLibber Brautigan: we’ve already had great success in eroding the recruitement base for griefer groups, by giving noobs training and employment opportunities.
[17:38] IntLibber Brautigan: teaching them the realities of “space monies”
[17:52] Areth Gall: Space monies?
[17:53] IntLibber Brautigan: thats what these 4chan students call L$
[17:53] IntLibber Brautigan: i.e. they are virtual,
[17:53] Areth Gall: Alright. do you mind if I quote you?>
[17:53] IntLibber Brautigan: what part?
[17:54] IntLibber Brautigan: If its within context thats fine. I really dislike having my statements distorted.
[17:54] Areth Gall: Alright. Thank you.
As promised, I have kept IntLibber’s statements in context… and now I will begin commenting on it. First of all, I would like to state that while I have made statements to admins of Furnation and of the Fur Valley Communities in previous days that IntLibber provided donations to this group. After re-reading his statement, my statement appears to be a mis-interpretation. I wish for that to be clarified. This does not mean that other people have not made statements of such. Regardless, I would question IntLibber’s involvement with the Woodbury University. First of all, Woodbury University’s members made numerous attacks against Furnation and the Fur Valley Communities during their stay in Emit Time. In fact, most of the individuals whom were involved with Emit Time were later reported this week as being a part of the attacks. In addition to the attacks made on Furnation, the Parody of the Alliance Navy can be seen as an act of griefing, and the endorsement of it can be seen as an endorsement of griefing, whether it was anticipated that the griefers would take the time to grief other groups or not. So the question becomes, are the people whom endorse such actions, provide donations to them – are they guilty of the crimes that those they endorsed, commit?
I later had a quick interview with Profoky Neva, a respected collogue from the Second Life Herald. In this, Profoky Neva had the following to say;
[17:49] Areth Gall: Are you familiar with an individual named Tizzers Foxchaser?
[17:50] Prokofy Neva: Yes she’s banned from my properties, she orchestrates the griefing of the b/tards, the v-5s
[17:50] Areth Gall: Hm. Do you know of an IntLibber Brautigan?
[17:50] Prokofy Neva: yes he is a large property owner and investor in Hope Capital and he’s somehow decided to approve of her, not sure why, probably for some strategic reason
[17:51] Areth Gall: Are you familiar with the Emit Time incidents that have occured this week?
[17:51] Prokofy Neva: I don’t know what that means no
[17:52] Areth Gall: Emit Time is a sim. IntLibber, Ethan Schuman, Tizzers, and some other guy orchestrated the purchase of an Alliance Navy Base there, and eventually turned it into a Furry Concentration Camp.
[17:52] Prokofy Neva: yes another reporter has already done that story it’s coming out soon
[17:53] Areth Gall: I thought Pixeleen hadn’t finished it yet tonight. I’m from the SL Times, and I invited her to share notes with me later tonight. However, since you have a past with these people, perhaps I could pick your brain a little?
[17:53] Areth Gall: Tizzers specifically mentioned your name, by the way. Something about wanting to have lesbian sex with you.
[17:54] Prokofy Neva: ugh
[17:54] Prokofy Neva: this is a false statement: “[17:31] IntLibber Brautigan: and the peaceful /b/tard members of SL are now working with Tizzers to make WU a real learning sim, as it was intended.”
[17:54] Prokofy Neva: These “Woodbury Security” people are witnessed, documented, photographed, and reported doing all the classic griefing stuff
[17:54] Prokofy Neva: particles, object insertion, etc. etc. etc.
[17:54] Prokofy Neva: Tizzers is behind it all, it’s all fake
[17:55] Areth Gall: Considering everyone in the Parody Navy, as I call em, have launched at least four attacks on the Fur Valley Community Sims and Furnation this week, I have no qualms with that statement.
[17:55] Prokofy Neva: Either Intlibber is a fool or he is just playing along to gather intel — or both
[17:55] Areth Gall: However, Tizzer’s isn’t behind it all. He’s acting as a landholder. And he or Ethan Schuman recieved donations from other groups and individuals to fund this.
[17:55] Prokofy Neva: I dunnno, these people have time to play on SL all day and construct this very elaborate inner world of intrigue and espionate and such, I’m just busy and don’t have time for it.
[17:56] Areth Gall nods
[17:56] Prokofy Neva: Tizzers is indeed a bad actor here
[17:56] Prokofy Neva: She’s been caught now a number of times coming and scoping out parcels right before attacks of griefing from her people
[17:56] Prokofy Neva: sorry, no sale if you are trying to rehabilitate her, she’s incorrigible, and very manipulative
[17:56] Prokofy Neva: I just don’t play.
From these statements, I have to question Intlibber’s statements, as very few people involved in the Parody Navy that I observed were later involved in some attack of some form on another sim or were no longer present after several suspensions from Second Life occurred in Emit Time. I later interviewed IntLibber a second time, although I will provide excerpts so that this interview is not as long.
[20:05] IntLibber Brautigan: When Leia Lulu transferred the land into Ailiance Navy group, which she was invited to and joined
[20:05] IntLibber Brautigan: she deeded it herself
[20:05] IntLibber Brautigan: I then paid the money to Uildiar Kuhn
[20:05] Areth Gall: Okie dokies.
[20:05] IntLibber Brautigan: thats how escrow works
[20:05] Areth Gall nods
[20:06] Areth Gall: I ask for clarification because even if I describe it, it might have meant something different to you.
[20:06] IntLibber Brautigan: Leia Lulu saw the group she was joining
[20:07] IntLibber Brautigan: had a chance to read its charter
[20:07] IntLibber Brautigan: she cannot in any way claim she was in any way ‘duped’.
[20:07] IntLibber Brautigan: in fact
[20:07] IntLibber Brautigan: at the time
[20:07] IntLibber Brautigan: the owners of the group had the rank “AN Fl337 Admiral”
[20:08] IntLibber Brautigan: which is clearly facetious
[20:09] IntLibber Brautigan: well the Merczateers reside in my estate
[20:09] Areth Gall: Although all evidence I have of Leia suggests otherwise thus far.
[20:09] IntLibber Brautigan: I make it my business to understand how their organization works
[20:10] IntLibber Brautigan: so I know who to bitch at and who has no authority
[20:10] IntLibber Brautigan: I’d be shocked if Leia didn’t do the same
[20:10] IntLibber Brautigan: else she’s merely irresponsible
When asked if IntLibber had the rights to transfer the group’s land away from the Parody Navy, he stated;
[20:16] Areth Gall: One last question. Do you have any control at all over the land in Emit Time?
[20:17] Areth Gall: Would you be able to deed it away or anything? Or is that beyond your capabilities?
[20:18] IntLibber Brautigan: Because of the controversial nature of the people running Ailiance Navy, they have asked me to act as a liason. I could deed the land away if I were a no good rotten bastard. I hold my character in higher regard, my reputation as a neutral broker in SL remains sacrosanct.
Keeping these interviews in mind… as much as I would love to condemn Intlibber’s actions, for arranging the transfer of land, for acting out of hatred, there remains a question. If Intlibber did not commit these actions, would they have found someone to take his place? Did they even need him to perform these actions? The answer is, most likely. However, if IntLibber made it his business to know what type of people the Merczateers were, and would hold it as irresponsible of Leia if these individuals were going to cause grief and she deeded the land to them, then would it not be irresponsible of IntLibber to not look into the Woodbury University and the /b/tards group whom he acted as a ‘liason’ to help in purchasing the land? And if so, then how come, after these griefing actions have been stated obviously, does he proceed to say that because he would be a ‘no good rotten bastard’ for deeding the land away from a griefing group?
If Titan Industries and Aryte Vesperia had not donated time, equipment, and money, would these events have occurred? Perhaps, but probably not. Or at least, those others whom donated would have had to pay more.
So the question is, whom is responsible for these attacks? Whom should be held responsible, and what should the penalty for their crimes be? In that, it is not completely the decision of Linden Labs. Rather, Linden Labs has stated that communities need to take a stand for what they believe – and they do. It is through this that I create a proposal. Let the citizens of Second Life Sign Petitions stating that they do or do not feel which individuals should be held accountable, and if more needs to be done. This is your opportunity to tell the Lindens, The Administrators of Communities – anyone whom would read this, what you think about how things are, and if enough is being done, or if you want to see more. State if you think IntLibber Brautigan went over the line. State if Titan Industries Inc. should be considered a griefer organization.
Here are the locations of Petition Stands. (To be added) I would plead everyone whom reads this to go to one of these and add their name to a petition. The Petition Article can be found here: Petition Article. I will update each petition nightly.
June 27, 2007 at 6:59 pm
[...] Read this Article to gain a better understanding of why this petition is taking place; [...]
June 27, 2007 at 11:32 pm
One, who exactly is “Timmahy Widgets”?
Two, I was never a Praetor in the Novus Ordo Imperialis.
Three, I was on the scene during the incident, correct. I however left long before any construction of a furry concentration camp and never returned.
Four, the Alliance Navy freebied much of the gear I made for them — how does this relate me the camp’s construction?
June 28, 2007 at 7:16 am
Who should be held responsible?
The individuals who performed the attacks. It’s that simple.
Instead we need a group to identify.
I go to the WU sim daily, it was my favorite sim to go to, I never griefed, I never caused problems, now it’s gone because of the above events. I enjoyed the creative aspect of this whole game there to the fullest, now it’s gone because of misinformation by various groups who hate /b/ in any form. I would point at the furries for being the biggest source of misnformation. /b/ and furries have NEVER mixed, so naturally they would like to see groups that do not like them gone.
So what better way then to pin griefing on a sim that supports 4chan on top of being educational? I actually did learn things at that sim, how to create stuff I would have never learned in a sandbox. I also met some cool people.
Instead, a group has to suffer for the actions of a few. The emit time base was a parody thing, nothing more, it was not for griefing. Get that straight. Also, I’d like to state griefing is a lame term, trolling is more accurate.
The Furry concentration camp was essentially mocking furries because they keep accusing various people of “fursecution” as if they’re an under privileged minority group whenever someone says ANYTHING against them. So the concentration camp thing was pretty much a large one finger salute to them. Any furries who visited were only going there to cause problems. I got suspended for a day because I told one to get the hell out when I was there scoping it out. Which proves that some people are only in the game to cause problems, this is what causes “griefing” however griefing is not always one sided, a lot of times it’s retaliation. No doubt the fall out from these events will cause an increase of griefing in the game now.
The point here is, dont blame groups for the actions of a few. A few individuals took part in griefing and did it under the guise of another group. That means we all deserve punishment?
Also, I wish I still had logs of the AN plotting to get the land at emit time illegally seized from the current owners. They think they own the whole emit time sim, despite there being 3 other main sims besides them and the parody base. They even stated they knew what they were doing was going to be illegal and were even considering griefer attacks.
They went as far as taunting someone involved with the purchase that they were going to get “their” land back despite them not being able to afford it and acknowledged that the money that was spent by the new owners would be used for their needs.
This is the problem with Second life, people know if they scream loud enough they get their way, or spread enough disinformation they can get what they want. People who do things legally are often the ones fucked over. Woodbury was legit. It got smeared because of some individuals who caused problems on their own time called it home. What is Woodbury Supposed to do? hold their hand or punish them for their actions in another sim? Woodbury as a college and woodbury as a sim didnt approve of these actions, so why are both getting put under fire? Tizzers Foxchase cant be around 24/7 watching over everyone and making sure they dont do anything bad. These people are adults, and they will do as they please. Woodbury was also attacked during these events and the campus was scrambled by someone malicious. So we were victims of griefing as much as everyone else.
Again, blame the individuals and stop going after the whole group.
June 28, 2007 at 7:26 am
One more note I should add, while people are fretting over fursecution camps and the AN being inconvenienced by their own lack of funds and trying to wrest someone else’s purchases, and getting rid of anything “bad” like this.. Ageplay sims and clubs are still numerous in the game, and from what I’ve been told trade questionable and illegal content, yet they never get the same attention. They’re largely ignored. I guess it matters when the revenue stream is being threatened. only thing is, going after sims that arent actually doing anything wrong is not going to make griefing go away or discourage it. We see a wonderful example going on in the middle east in relations to terrorism. Yep, bombing the shit out of some countries really put a damper on global terrorism, didn’t it?
June 28, 2007 at 9:48 am
It is unfortunate that, once again, the peaceful majority are made to suffer for the actions of a few ill-behaved individuals. I would like to believe that these individuals are all adults, but I know with certainty that this isn’t true - they are, by any society’s definition, children, and spoiled children at that. There is little defensible about them, and pandering to them invites disaster. One does not allow the inmates to run the asylum.
June 28, 2007 at 10:18 am
Ah, Kalel, just like how LL lets inmates run the asylum in your case, eh? your little griefer group ends up causing more chaos and damage than what the PN could ever pull off in your attempts to “grief the griefers”. But I guess it’s fine and dandy when it’s in the name of justice, eh? Dressing up like super heroes is a very mature and adult past time. Must be hard.
June 28, 2007 at 10:36 am
Citizens have recently commented to me that with all the cries of protest being posted by the griefers, that we must be doing something right. I guess we must be, because you seem particularly outraged today.
June 28, 2007 at 10:40 am
So many facts distorted by the furry with his panties in a twist…
June 28, 2007 at 11:00 am
Ah, so anyone who disagrees with you is automatically a griefer, anyone who complains about being wronged by linden labs is automagically a griefer.
Must be lots of “griefers” out there then. Wonder what happens when one sues LL because of your actions.
IMHO, you’re a fraud, a self-serving fraud who is in it not to defend others, but to bolster your own ego, and to further your group’s power on SL.
June 28, 2007 at 11:34 am
I know a lot more about you than you think I do, Slarty.
This poster is a long time Patriotic Nigra. I call Bullshit on Bullshit Caller.
June 28, 2007 at 1:37 pm
The fact that Angel Fluffy and Kalel Venkman have attempted to soil my good reputation in SL proves they are griefers. I run and manage multiple furry sims and do a pretty damn good job at it, but theser 2 dipsticks tried to pin off that i was a PN member… I have never had any intentions of becoming what i fight against. I’ve always enjoyed serving SL as a community leader and not about to let some newbies destroy me like this. My investigators are pulling threads finding dirt on these two and when it is found, it will be revealed to all to see. If anyone would like submit some proof of their griefings i will be willing to add it to my stack. keep in mind that chat logs are not enough to get linden lab to do anything. It’s pretty bad when the poeple we trust to fight against the griefers, are the griefers. These 2 are not to be trusted. I’ve been in SL 3 years almost, and I’ve seen my share of unsavory people and these are really high up there…
June 28, 2007 at 1:39 pm
I will never let what they did to me go unpunished. And i am glad that nobody believed their lies. People are smarter then to believe you just because you have a security group.
June 28, 2007 at 3:20 pm
Yes, please - if anyone would like to submit proof of any griefing done by the Justice League to anyone, please submit it to Yiffy Yaffle. Collision logs, proof of caging, assault, anything at all.
Anyone reading this may IM me in-world and I will verify that this post was actually made by myself. There’s simply nothing to find.
June 28, 2007 at 4:04 pm
Continue to ignore the fact you and angel are trying to destroy me… I never found out why either.. I know i never did anything to hurt you 2. IF i did, i apologies for it. However i know i did not. You both claim that I’m with PN, yet I’ve never even talked to them. I also believe that Angel is this Watermill guy he claims i talked to. It’s a clever scam your pulling but chat logs don’t mean jack to me. I never ever had any intentions of joining any griefing groups. The fact that you are with angel on this masquerade is proof that your untrustworthy. I have no grudge against JLU, Just YOU and angel. JLU are great people, stuck having to be under your rule. The fact that all the friends i had speak with you have only got ignored or refusal to listen. Your hiding something from me and i want to know. And i want proof direct to me what i did wrong to cause you to bring this grief against me. If you fail to cooperate with that, then this war you started with me will continue. I don’t let go of grudges until i finished. You know what i believe? I believe your both infiltrators working for PN to destroy the furry community from the inside. Thats what i think. You picked me as a target because I’m well known throughout SL. Something i did, made you two want me out of the picture. Just like Nexxus. If you fess up to me and apologies for what you people did, then i may take back what i said in these posts. I’]ve already talked to the lindens and they don’t care so it’s up to me to salve this.
June 28, 2007 at 4:20 pm
Side Note: I never plan to leave SL till SL ceases to exist. I have all the time in the world to continue seeking a conference with you and angel to fix this mess. Your choices to not cooperate will be your own fall because I have a very good reputation in SL for being a creative mind who isn’t afraid to express herself and be helpful to people who need help. I’m very involved in this community and care a lot about it. People come to me almost every day saying they don’t believe angel, and they think angel is a jerk for saying what he said about me. I feel sorry for anyone who mindlessly believes you over someone as old and well known as me.
June 28, 2007 at 4:25 pm
Wow… paranoid and delusional much, Yiffy? Have you considered anti-anxiety medication for your problems?
June 28, 2007 at 4:32 pm
Believe whatever you wish. I’ll tell you the same thing I’ve told every person who’s ever asked: neither myself nor Angel Fluffy are privy to the entire scope of information, that the matter had only indirectly to do with you, and I’m otherwise not at liberty to discuss it. Had you not posted yourself, I wouldn’t have said a word about it in public for all to see.
Whatever vendetta you may have extrapolated from this simple statement is certainly yours to hold if this is how you wish to expend your emotional energy and personal resources.
June 28, 2007 at 5:03 pm
Again, I’m not a PN. this shows how unstable and paranoid you are. If I was, I wouldn’t be commenting here, or even talking to you. You also denounce someone else who’s making a complaint against you. You’re nothing more than a clever troll, or a paranoid delusional sociopath. I’ve seen it before in online communities. Many times in different forms, but the same intentions. You cause mistrust in a community and label those you do not like as something, attack them, and get loved by everyone else. I’ve also seen the same things with Political agenda setting IRL. You only seem to have interests with getting power, and the best thing you can do is call me a PN to smear my credibility because I’m against you. In any case, you’ll be your own undoing once you get the wrong person banned and LL turns on you because you got them in legal trouble. that or LL will go down because of you.
Want to know another reason I’m not PN? I wouldn’t be pissed about the woodbury thing, or the emit time thing. The PN are probably laughing right now because they didn’t get scratched at all by this. LL went after /b/ but /b/ is not PN. Like I said, what they did was as effective against griefing as was America’s war on terror against terrorists.
June 28, 2007 at 5:08 pm
Shmoopie, i will ignore your insults since you have no idea whats going on. I’m not sure your attempting to flame me or not, and i don’t care. I know i am innocent of what kalel and angel are trying to accuse me of, and the fact they have no evidence and refuse to tell even me (the one accused) they have no authority to do jack shit about it but accuse me, which they have done already. It”t in group notices. The only reason you think this is paranoia is do to the fact I’m being accused of something, and the people accusing me of it refuse to tell me why and what. If they have no privs to do so they shouldn’t have even done anything about it. As for the delusional, i have no idea what your talking about. The facts are available. If kalel and angel wish to talk to me privately about it i am a very reasonable person. However they chose to ignore me and outcast me. Now if you would excuse me i have a sim to manage and a mate to be with.
June 28, 2007 at 5:10 pm
They seam very trigger happy on calling people griefers. They have little ot no research, they just think “oh they gota be a griefer because so and so told me or because they act different then me.” these people remind me of Hitler.
June 28, 2007 at 5:11 pm
Basically what I’m trying to tell them is “don’t start what you can’t finish”.
June 28, 2007 at 5:48 pm
Sieg Heil.
June 28, 2007 at 6:32 pm
BTW, I was TheUnstoppable Gazov, I formed the group, you’re all idiots.
June 28, 2007 at 6:54 pm
Yiffy Yaffle, You are a faggot. I am telling you this because you are the worst kind of fucking scum on the internet.
June 28, 2007 at 6:58 pm
A furry, if you didn’t get my hint.
June 28, 2007 at 7:29 pm
Jesus Christ, IT’S INTERNET YOU FAGGOTS.
June 28, 2007 at 7:31 pm
So the true you comes out. I knew it. Just another PN Retard who thinks hurting furries is cool.
June 28, 2007 at 10:56 pm
You’re an idiot if you think we need people to give us items and fund us to crash FurNation (wtf is Fur Valley). We assemble our own items and need no “money” to crash sims. The operation was a PN operation and was completely unrelated to the death camp.
June 29, 2007 at 7:23 am
Of course the last post attributed to me wasn’t - anybody can post anything and sign anybody’s name to it.
And if you’re not PN, Slarty, you’ve been doing a pretty good impression of one, and spending a very large amount of time in the PN IRC.
I think the public should know that the vast majority of calumny in these threads is coming from a small handful of bored college freshmen with nothing better to do with their time.
June 29, 2007 at 7:29 am
And of course, the proof is in the pudding. The conversation invariably becomes hijacked by Patriotic Nigras, and eventually they resort to name spoofing and name calling - the last resort of someone who is out of ideas. Since they have nothing left, this is where they find themselves.
June 29, 2007 at 7:37 am
Kalel i don’t even know how to get into their IRC so your totally wrong about me. I don’t know where you get your evidence but you need to double check them. The closest I’ve ever came to a PN member is ejecting them from my sim for attempting to crash it. I don’t even know how to get onto their forums. And exactly how have i been doing a good impression of one? And who is Slarty? You obviously are thinking of me as someone else… If so, your the one who is delusional. Also the only reason I’m posting on this article is because i was shown it by Pet, Who so happens to work for this news site. If you would do some research before you go accusing people of things, such as checking with linden lab records you would know that I’ve never even associated in any way with PN. I am not a griefer, i am a teacher, land owner, scripter, furry leader, avatar and item creator, designer, and security admin. Once again i have to say that you really should double check where your getting your information. Your obviously being used. As you just clarified “Anyone can false a name”. Don’t you think that might be whats happening? If you claim to have seen me on their IRC, then it has to be someone else. I don’t have access to anything of theirs. I don’t even have time for IRC nor do i like it. Text based social environments are so 80s.
June 29, 2007 at 7:40 am
It’s obvious they are watching this topic, but i have nothing to do with them at all. My friends have tried to talk to you in world and you flat out plug your ears to them. You don’t even give me the chance to talk to you. I am willing to discuss whatever it is with you if you would just sit down with me, but no… You fly off and abuse me like this. From my perspective your currupt or your the one working for them. I will not have your behavior, and once i find a way to expose you for the fraud you are i will do so. You cam flame me all you want but you will never crush my spirit.
June 29, 2007 at 7:45 am
Regarding the petition to hold the supporters of griefing groups accountable for the results, I believe the attacks are wrong - there is no room for intolerance based on race, gender, sexual orientation or species. There is no room for the kind of cyberbullying that has taken place routinely at the hands of those who look without seeing.
I am uncertain that guilt by association is necessarily the wisest course of action, however - this simply escalates to conflict at the group level, with no possibility of clear resolution. Clearly something needs to be done, but it isn’t clear to me that this is it. The individuals involved are the ones responsible - a group as a whole cannot pretend to know the minds of those to whom its support in full is lent, therefore the question of responsibility for the actions of others remains an open one.
I agree with the idea of signing a petition to express one’s views - there are few ways other than petitions with which to capture the attention of people who can make a difference, given the nature of the metaverse and its general lack of governance. However, one must be cautious about one’s expectations in such regard. Since there is, in fact, no formal governmental structure, apart from whatever voluntary participation there may be in self-governance, the eventual effect of such a partition can’t be known.
June 29, 2007 at 7:46 am
(Oh, Yiffy, it wasn’t YOU that’s in their IRC, it was Bullshit Caller up there, a.k.a. Slartybartfast - just wanted to clarify.)
June 29, 2007 at 7:48 am
Without knowing what caused this situation i have no way to defend myself. You leave me in a situation where i am unable to fight to protect my reputation. Do you really believe a person who has spent 3 years in SL doing all these creative things, improving my avatar, and making so many friends, would turn to a life of grief? Think about all the things I’ve done. You yourself didn’t wish to put me through those initiation tests because you witnessed the activity i had with SL. I’m not sure what caused you to change your mind about me, but it must be a really trusted source… *rolls eyes*. I will have my pet investigate the fake posts on this article to see. But i do now believe you when you say you didn’t post them. It was a major change in attitude. If you would just go with instinct and show me this so called evidence i would be greatful and i may actually be more quiet about the matter. I don’t give a crap if it is classified. Even IRL if a criminal was after you, your local police department would let you know and try to protect you. I don’t see any reason why you can’t. Some promises are made to be broken.
June 29, 2007 at 7:58 am
I wish I could be more forthcoming than I have been, but I simply don’t have any options in this. As I mentioned earlier, the matter had only peripherally to do with you, and I’m unable to discuss it further. I’ve kept to this the entire time, and the matter would have been forgotten by the public except for your continued efforts to revive it. I’m sorry, but as unsatisfactory an answer as this is, this is the best I’m going to be able to do.
June 29, 2007 at 8:39 am
I understand. I’m just not one to accept such a loss. I thrive to understand things better and finish what was started. I wish everything was back how it was. :/
June 29, 2007 at 2:29 pm
*clap…clap…clap* i take my hat off to the amazingly talented author, for it would not have been possible had he allowed such a rediculous thing such as ‘facts’ and ‘genuine events’ get in his way.
We salute you, rising journalist.
And afterwards, we go back to our lives and stop caring.
June 29, 2007 at 10:29 pm
I must say having been atacked a few times my self on my own land in one of the furnation sim’s for simply being a furry. That people that grife others for fun should be put in the same list as the ones that put puppys and kitens in microwave’s just to see what happens. And the pepole that go out at night and beat helpless tame pets like swans and lamas that are gentle and harmless to death with baseball bats just for fun. I beleve that every one is intitled to thare opinion. But that dont meen that you go out and shoot the paper boy because he misses your door step with your paper.
June 30, 2007 at 12:35 am
You really ARE AN’s pet reporter aren’t you, or do you just not have any facts?
Uildiar had given the AN LOTS of power by donating tons to them, Emit Time being part of this ton. In return they were to help him complete simple tasks, since he worked as a freelance estate builder.
Well, needless to say, they failed, as usual.
He lost thousands of dollars due to this, and they were still missing the payment on the land they had their “recreational” AKA “sad, disgusting, sex” camp, in Emit time.
There were a few in this parody group, mainly Intlibber, whom paid for the majority, but a few Mercz members, as well as Aryte, pitched in a little bit of money, to pay for the land that the Alliance Navy had not paid for. It ended up with the AN having the half of the parcel they had actually paid for, and the other half, in the possession of several dozen /b/ tards.
I cannot say what happened to Emit time was desirable, nor do the Mercz want anything to do with it, but it you REALLY want to staple this on anyone’s chest, all I have to do, is say “Kremlin”.
Lurdan proved this point to Harlequin about a week ago, right after we had pulled out from Dorien because the Alliance Navy was mourning the loss of a soldier in Iraq.
Once the argument fell into Lurdan’s favor, Harlequin abruptly ended the IM convo and said “well, I have a party to get to, good day.”
Have fun with that party, while you’re mourning a dead soldier.
Areth, you once told me that you would not let vengeance cloud your motives towards Aryte, yet all I see here is slanderous material, driven by anger, frustration, and an empty hope that putting words into the form of wings, and strapping them to the Alliance Navy, to make them look like the angels they no longer are, for them to somehow help you in the future is almost as pathetic as the help you may someday receive.
allow me to preview.
“Thanks Areth, but your article was poorly written, allow me to point out the errors here, here, here, here, here, and I think you could have ’spruced’ it up a bit here, here, here, here, OH and goodness, it looks like another Merczateer light operative turned his armor red, and snapped my neck after I saluted him, thinking he was a marine, silly me, why don’t you write another article showing how dishonorable their tactics are! Hop to it cadet!”
Thank you for your time, and attention.
June 30, 2007 at 4:19 am
Wow, just wow. All I can say is, you should write fiction because you’re pretty good at making stuff up. Not saying that anyone would actually read this and believe it but if it makes you feel any better your article made my sides hurt.
Also, to help you in your little crusade of bullshittery, I’ll fill in some blanks for you.
1) I was never a Praetor in the Novus Ordo Imperials.
2) I was not wearing AN armor. (I can see how you would be confused about proper style seeing as you’re male and have absolutely no fashion sense)
3) Even if I was, I have a legit copy handed to me by Jim Herbst (LOL 1IC of Air Division)
4) It’s nice to see “Copybot” has turned into such a blanket term for anything. “You copybotted my penis.” “Oh touch my copybot” “Copybot copybot omg the sky is copybot falling copybot.”
So, in the future, get your damn facts straight. It amuses the hell out of me how you pretend to be an “in depth” reporter. “This reporter arrived on the scene at about 5:00am SLT Wednesday Morning.” It’s kinda like watching a kid in a wheelchair trying to go up a flight of stairs.
Oh yeah, how’s your dog?
June 30, 2007 at 4:25 am
Hail! The comeing of Ordo to SL for it shall come to the faithful and deliver them into deseption and smite all those who dare speak truth or that whic is close enuff to the truth.
Hail Ordo!
June 30, 2007 at 4:26 am
Hail! The comeing of Ordo to SL for it shall come to the faithful and deliver them into deseption and smite all those who dare speak truth or that whic is close enuff to the truth.
June 30, 2007 at 2:26 pm
Did you mean . . “Hail the coming of the Ordo to Second Life, for it shall come to the faithful and deliver them in to deception and smite all those whom dare to speak truth or that which is close enough to be truth?”
Pardon me, Zippy. Did you take an extra dosage of stupidity and visit the group think home today? I’ve never even heard of you, and I have this funny feeling you have never met me.
June 30, 2007 at 8:04 pm
ah yes because chilling with them makes me a griefer.
It’s more like how I know the PN and woodbury are completely separate entities, as is the emit time base. That emit time was a parody that got played up as a direct attack (yeah how can a stagnant sim be a real threat? griefers dont need bases. Except for the JLU. Which as an ego to defend.)
Besides, if I was griefing, I wouldnt need to hang with a group to do so. Besides, you knowing this info, that makes you or whoever your informant is, a PN as well. thus your information can be seen as unreliable. by your own logic.
I personally could care less who you know I am. Because you are not the law, Kalel, you never will be. You’ll be the little boy who cries wolf all the time. It’s just a game, get over yourself.
All this shit is really stupid in the long run. It just sucks that those of us trying to have legitimate fun are taken out because we dont take things seriously. Yeah, a virtual “furry death camp” is going to actually hurt someone physically or get people virtually killed.
I never did know that furries were persecuted in death camps. Wow, how naive I am! Same for the elves and the fairies in darfur, wont anyone please think of tinkerbell?!
June 30, 2007 at 8:26 pm
Also, kalel I love how you talk down about college freshmen. So I assume this means you’re older?
How fucking hilarious. I think a bunch of college freshmen and high schoolers doing this shit is more acceptable than a 20 or 30 something going around in a virtual world dressed like a superhero and thinking he is one.
July 1, 2007 at 8:16 am
Proteus,
I fear it is YOU that require a revisit to the ‘fact bin’.
Proteus Hand “You really ARE AN’s pet reporter aren’t you, or do you just not have any facts?
Uildiar had given the AN LOTS of power by donating tons to them, Emit Time being part of this ton. In return they were to help him complete simple tasks, since he worked as a freelance estate builder.
Well, needless to say, they failed, as usual.
He lost thousands of dollars due to this, and they were still missing the payment on the land they had their “recreational” AKA “sad, disgusting, sex” camp, in Emit time.”
No, Areth is not the AN’s ‘pet’ anything; we often disagree on a great many topics. However, that’s merely my word, which I am sure holds no sway with you whatsoever. I will move onto to the facts.
A quarter of emit was paid for my one of my folks for a time out of her own funds. When it was decided that we would utilize a full half of the sim, we used currency from the lan d fund to rent it. The main problem we had with the ’sale’ was not the loss of the sim as much as the loss of rent money paid. Yes, that’s correct, we were paid in full on our month-to-month lease and had what, 20 days or more remaining?
I suppose since you favor this measure, that is you were to purchase broadband internet service and receive but one third of your monthly access it would be fine as long as it was put to good use by someone else, specifically by someone who was discrediting a group of people you despise? I am certain you would not mind having no access for twenty or so days.
For the record, we had more than enough to cover the rent for the rest of the year on Emit.
As for Uildiar’s ‘build’; again wrong. It seems he was planning on quitting that build per his customer’s constant insistence on re-terraforming thus destroying work that had been previously accomplished. As it turns out, several AN helped him with the build to where he was 90% completed, and then another terraform occurred. He expressed his disdain with great verbosity, and yes, I have the log.
Additionally, Uildiar lost credibility with the group when he at the behest of his ‘employer’ opted to attempt to cajole and control the relationship between the Mercz and the AN. They apparently wished to ‘pay for everything’ as long as we were all willing to sit in a corner and sing kumbaya (while offering tribute I am sure).
The money we had counted on employing through the land fund, never came as we opted to deny their terms. I have no idea if the Mercz knew about this, or what their decision was if they were … I would like to think they too would not stand for such things and told him to take a hike.
This is why we parted ways.
Proteus Hand “There were a few in this parody group, mainly Intlibber, whom paid for the majority, but a few Mercz members, as well as Aryte, pitched in a little bit of money, to pay for the land that the Alliance Navy had not paid for. It ended up with the AN having the half of the parcel they had actually paid for, and the other half, in the possession of several dozen /b/ tards.
I cannot say what happened to Emit time was desirable, nor do the Mercz want anything to do with it, but it you REALLY want to staple this on anyone’s chest, all I have to do, is say “Kremlin”.”
Again, and as stated previously, the rent was paid-in-full through the end of the term.
The Kremlin incident was vastly different. The builder of it, offered to sell it to one of our folks who opted to purchase it. As the mercz had not paid this individual to build it, I fail to see how that can be easily associated with a current lease on land … perhaps you could explain the similarities?
Proteus Hand “Lurdan proved this point to Harlequin about a week ago, right after we had pulled out from Dorien because the Alliance Navy was mourning the loss of a soldier in Iraq.
Once the argument fell into Lurdan’s favor, Harlequin abruptly ended the IM convo and said “well, I have a party to get to, good day.”
Have fun with that party, while you’re mourning a dead soldier.”
Let’s do address this one.
When it was released that the AN would be out of sim paying respects to the soldier that had passed away in defense of this nation, the Mercz only then decided this was an opportune moment to attack. We were informed (which is why we had folks waiting, sadly enough) for you to arrive. One of your own released the information, so that is something you may wish to look into, FYI.
Additionally it should be noted the Mercz did not pull out of Dorien until Areth showed up to record the events.
If I find anything humorous about the situation, it’s that… thus proving the pen truly is mightier than the sword. A sad commentary on the part of the Mercz though. (People wonder why I have zero respect for the lot of them; yes I know “you don’t care, lulz”. BTW, what does ‘lulz’ mean anyway? )
You’re pathetic Proteus, but even as such you pale in comparison to some of your ‘comrades’. At the moment your dishonor involves merely bending the truth to suit your whim; you have far worse folks under your ‘command’ whose lack of integrity knows no bounds.
July 7, 2007 at 5:57 pm
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